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fareed zakaria gps is next. >> welcome to all of you in the united states and around a i'm fareed zakaria . it has been an extraordinary six days since two bombs exploded near the finish line of the boston marathon. today the lone surviving suspect in that attack lies in a hospital bed, unable to speak, unable to explain the destruction he and his brother are alleged to have wrought. in this hour, we will try to get to the bottom of the key issues around the attack. we'll start with an exclusive interview with ray kelly, the commissioner of the new york police department. he runs one of the largest
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counterterrorism teams outside of the federal government, and we will get his key insight. then, soft targets, ieds, high-value interrogation, chechnya and more. we will dig deep in to some crucial aspects of the case with a true all-star gps panel. also on the show we will take a few breaks from terror to look at gold, which isn't as glittery as it used to be and what lessons the u.s. congress could learn from these wilting legislators. but first here's my take. we're learning a great deal about the two men who police say planted bombs at the boston marathon. the brother dzhokhar tsarnaev and we will learn more and in the weeks ahead and learn the story of alienation, and brutal murder. were these men an unusual case, loners, or are they part of something larger? how and when did they turn? and in one important sense,
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however, this was text book terrorism. the plan was to frighten us. terrorism is an unusual tactic in that it depends for its success on the response of the onlooker. that's why people have often said about terrorists they want a few people dead and a lot of people watching. if we who watch are not terrorized, then almost by definition it didn't work. on that count, how did we do? pretty well. the people of boston handled the crisis with calm and determination. the authorities did shut down most of the city on friday for the manhunt. a decision that could be debated, but the people of boston stayed steady and are already getting back to normal. i spent seven years living in boston and i was struck by the city and the people's strength of character. they have a tough new england spirit. a that comprises doing one's job and not making a fuss.
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beyond boston we americans may have come to realize finally that the most important counterterrorism program out there is resilience. things were different after 9/11. it was a much larger attack, raising larger concerns. many things that followed, security measures, overthrow of the taliban were necessary. but others in retrospect were not. the vast homeland security bureaucracy, shutting down travel, turning counterterrorism in to ill-defined and ever expanding war on terror. osama bin laden show saw rationale from 9/11 and the reaction it produced from american hurricanes said so on several occasions. resilience is hardly a matter of character but it is also one of public policy. stephen flynn who was written widely about this argues despite the billions spent we never made it a priority.
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in written testimony given last july to the senate committee on homeland security and governmental affairs flynn redikted small attacks carried out by one to three operatives particularly if they reside in the u.s. can be plan carried out with relatively little planning and unlikely to attention the attention of the national intel juns community. how to make ourselves more resilient? the steps we need to take are not that sexy. with we need to upgrade transit systems and infrastructure to make them less vulnerable to attacks. for example, flynn notes, the u.s. navy has invested more in protecting the single port of san diego that is home to the pacific fleet than the department of homeland security has invested in the ports of los angeles, long beach, san francisco, oakland, seattle and tacoma, come bind upon which the
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bulk of the u.s. economy relies. we must strengthen recovery in the event of a biological attack which is the most worrying threat out there. we need to make sure the public understands the nature of these threats and how it can help identify and respond to them. above all, it needs to understand how not to respond to them. when bad things happen, it is easy to react out of fear, emotion and anger. let's hope in boston this week we begin to chart a different course. for more on this, you can read my column in a special edition of "time" on the tragedy in boston. let's get started. joining me now the man who runs the biggest police force in america and one of the country's best terror counterterror and intelligence division. ray kelly the commissioner of
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new york. >> good to be here. >> what do you have to tell us in the aftermath of this? is there a heightened sense of danger? are you seeing threats proliferate? >> no, we haven't seen an increase in threats, but our operating assumption is we are always at risk. we're a city that obviously had two horrific attacks here in 1993 and 2001. we have had 16 plots against the city since then. so, we are on alert all the time. we see no resource but to be on alert. >> i noticed most of the plots that you talked about, the 16 that you thwarted, they were against big symbolic targets often. what happened here in boston was an event. is that a difference that is meaningful? >> well, all terrorism is theater. this event was a major event certainly in the life of boston.
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it was a holiday. it was the end of the marathon. it was time to go off when probably the maximum number of people would be there, at the finish line. clearly it was meant to put on a show it was very significant. we had plots here against the subway system, the brooklyn bridge. i sort of see this in the same ballpark if you will. >> in 2007 you commissioned a report that i read on radicalization in the islamic community. what strikes me about it is these guys seem to be straight out of that report. they are unremarkable men. that is a term used in the report. self radicalized it appears to be and that leads me to wonder, what do you do about it? these are almost by definition people who have no history that suggest much. >> it is a very thoughtful
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piece. it brought together a lot of the thinking about this phenomena. when you take, as you said, unremarkable young people, obviously men in the cases that we looked at, men here, who become radicalized in some fashion. usually with a mentor of some sort and they decide to kill people in their own country. it's a phenomena that i don't think we have totally gotten our arms around but we see it again and again. we have seen it here on several occasions. we had azazi who went to high school here and decided to blow himself up on the subway system in new york. >> do you think the fbi should have made more of the trip to russia, more of a tipoff? >> hindsight is 20/20. it didn't seem to be of significance. apparently the russian authorities asked them to do it.
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they did it and nothing jumped out. it seems to me they could not have done anything more, reasonably. so, you know, we are going to -- we being the government, i guess at every level will look at that and the history of these young men, but they certainly didn't stand out in a dramatic way. >> if i look at the manhunt, 9,000 people going after these two, what appear to be untrained kids, many different agencies involved, it turned out well, but i wonder for a city like new york, this would be so, such a gargantuan undertaking. do you have a game plan in new york if something like this were to happen? >> i think it worked out well up there. they were able to mass resources. off lot of different jurisdictions, fbi and state police involved. it seemed to me it went well.
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in new york city we have the biggest police force in the country, 35,000 uniformed officers. we are able to amass officers in significant number if we have to. sure. we do variations of things almost on a daily basis in a city of this size, , 8.4 million people. if something like this happened in new york, god forbid we would have our own resources that i think would enable us to do a comprehensive search. >> stick with us. stay with me. a lot more to discuss with ray kelly. islamic radicalism. how to deal with it. we'll be right back. with savory gravy and mashed russet potatoes. what makes stouffer's meatloaf best of all? that moment you enjoy it at home. stouffer's. made with care, for you or your family.
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we're back with ray kelly, the nypd commissioner, the man who must protect america's number one city and number one target. peter king, congressman peter king says what we need, what this boston marathon attack proves is we need a more aggressive and explicit targeting investigation of america's muslim communities. would you agree with that? >> well, i certainly wouldn't say community, but we follow leads wherever those leads take
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us. we've been targeted 16 times, a combination of good work on part of the federal government, nypd and shear luck we haven't been attacked. we will follow wherever the leads take us, irrespective of the community we're talking about. >> but the vast majority of those attacks did come from people who would have been muslim radicals. islamic radicals? >> that's correct, yes. >> and as a result of that, the nypd had a program of listening in on mosques, infiltrating communities and last august in court testimony, however, your department asserted or acknowledged that six years of spying on muslim neighborhood neighborhoods, eavesdropping on conversations and it did not generate a single lead. >> that's incorrect. basically, and i know this is somewhat detailed, but we have a stipulation. an agreement that's been in
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place since 1984 which limits our ability to investigate political entities. in 2002, we petitioned the court to change it it so we could do a more effective job in investigating terrorism. in fact the court did that. and it said we could do three things. we could go to any public meeting that the public is invited to. we can go to any website. the public has access to and we can do report and analysis that will enable us to have contact as to what's going on in a particular area, particular neighborhood and that's precisely what was done with our reports. so this is the most diverse city in the world. we have the most diverse police department in the world, something i'm very proud of. but it's a complex environment. 8.4 million people. we wanted to know more about the neighborhoods that we were policing. that's the report that we did. the so-called demographics unit
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since change theed name, but that's what you're reporting about. it was never put in place to generate leads. it was put in place for us to have contextual information. about what is going on in the city. people will say you have people not generating leads. believe me, we generate a lot of leads in other ways but not from that particular unit. >> how important is it it to have the cooperation of the muslim community? because one thing i'm struck by, in so many of these cases, it is citizens who report things some the times square bomber. the police was a block away but a local vendor who tips you off. in this case, it appears that the guy who got his legs blown off immediately said i want to tell you something, i saw this guy dropping a bag off. is it important there is a
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cooperative relationship between a police department and federal authorities and these communities that you are looking at? >> sure. i think we have strong working relationship with certainly the muslim community. i have a group that i met with on a regular basis of opinion formers in the muslim community. we have back and forth, give and take. i go to many community meetings. we have very strong working relationships in the communities that are throughout the city. this is a complex environment, a complex city. i would say our commanders and i have been a police officer a long time they are better now than they have ever been in my judgment. you will always have some tension and friction. that's the nature of police work.
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you're going to have some give and take. but we have strong working relationships. and we are proud of that. we work to have that. >> alienated young men, is the easy accessibility of guns and other instruments of destruction something that worries you? >> absolutely. we are concerned -- we sent a team to mumbai and we got very granule information very quickly. that's what we do with our officers assigned throughout the world. go to the scenes of terrorist events and go to bring us information that may better protect the city. if you look at the events in mumbai they were done with simple weapons and clearly we know in this country, the proliferation of weapons we have 300 million guns that are abroad in our country. yes, it's a concern. if you look at the bombs that were used in boston, very simple to make.
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magazines, that information is all over the internet. very easy to find out how to build a pretty effective bomb. the proliferation of weapons, handguns, rifles and certainly bomb-making and bomb-making materials. made out of ordinary, even household items is very much a concern for us. >> ray kelly, pleasure to have you on, sir. >> thank you. we have more on the boston terror attacks with a personal panel in a few moments but first something a little different. "in this world" why bad economic news is sometimes be good economic news. i will explain. we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't changed: the official retirement age. ♪ the question is how do you make sure you have the money you need to enjoy all of these years. ♪
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now for our what in the world segment. we have been watching one of the world's key economic indexes collapse. it dropped 13% in two days. over the last two years, it's down 20%. here's the strangest part. this might be very good news for the global economy. what is it that's falling? gold. for much of the last decade, the
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whole world has been on a gilded shopping spree. hedge funds poured money into it, chinese horded it, you could even find atms dispensing gold. to give you a sense of the hysteria. consider if you had invested $100 in gold in 2001, it would be worth $700 in 2011. a seven-fold increase. stunning return. why the sell off this week and what does it mean? one theory goes that prices fell because of a slowdown in china and india. but consumers there are taking advantage of the drop in prices to buy more gold. another theory runs that the recent drop is simply a market correction. that's fair. look at a graph of gold prices over the last 30 years. the 20% drop follows a 700% rise. but what is it that precipitated the fall? there does seem to be a method to the market's madness. investors like gold because they see it as a hedge against inflation. they also think it's a safe haven in a climate of uncertainty.
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the strongest proponent of gold gold bugs they are sometimes called, believe that central banks have been bumping money in to the global economy for decade and this will make money worthless. the only safe investment in this view is gold, which has been valued pr thousands of years and exists in limited supply. the total amount of gold in the world would actually fit into two large swimming pools. but gold prices are falling. and that's probably because neither of the doomsday scenarios seems likely. high inflation or a total economic collapse. consider the first, inflation. i saw an interesting chart in imf's latest world economic outlook. it looks a the change in inflation and unemployment during recessions. in the 1970s inflation fell along with the rise in unemployment. that's the usual pattern. the same happened in the recessions of the 1980s, '90s and early 2000s. but that correlation changed with the most recent crisis. this time steep jumps in
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unemployment with very limit impact on inflation. part of the reason why this happened is that central banks have taken on an unusually activist role in the-few years. the federal reserve and other central banks have pumped vast sums of money into the financial system. under normal market circumstances, that could lead to hyperinflation. but in the current scenario with very slow growth, with wage deflation in rich countries, it has actually led to stability. u.s. inflation has had a roughly steady at 2%, lower than the global average. this is a significant policy success and what it it means is that despite the usual risk of inflation, governments still have room to be aggressive in stimulating growth. good news for the economy if we'll take it. human beings love gold. we covered it beyond all rationality. that's fine if we want to juz it for jewelry.
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but as an investment the market is telling us to be cautious which is very good news. when we come back, the boston terror attacks again. the chechen connection, the use of ieds. can we truly protect soft targets? i have a great panel of experts who have worked at the cia, homeland security, the national security council. stay with us. everybody has different investment objectives, ideas, goals, appetite for risk. you can't say 'one size fits all'. it doesn't. that's crazy. we're all totally different. ishares core. etf building blocks for your personalized portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors
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i'm fredricka witfield field live from the newsroom in atlanta. first the headlines. the massachusetts governor devalue patrick said authorities believe there is no longer an imminent threat related to the boston bombings case. the chairman of the house intelligence community says the bomber that was killed, tamerlan tsarnaev may have been radicalized by islamic extremists when he went to russia last year. rebels deny any link to the bombings. now to west texas, where residents are beginning to pick up the pieces. they are returning home for the first time since the massive fertilizer plant explosion levelled parts of their small town. wednesday's blast destroyed buildings and took the lives of 14 people. 200 people were injured. in china, rescue workers are
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searching for at least two dozen people still missing after saturday's devastating earthquake. the death toll is at 186, more than 11,000 people were injured. the u.s. geological survey puts the magnitude at 6.6. it was so strong it sheered off huge chunks of ground in the mountains making rescue work difficult. in colorado, five snow boarders are dead in an avalanche in white river national forest according to the colorado avalanche information center. avalanches have killed 24 people this season. floodwaters are receding in parts of illinois, but entire subdivisions are still underwater in hard-hit suburbs. many people were trapped in their homes and had to be rescued on friday. they said they have never seen anything like this. and the bass player for the band three doors down has been charged with vehicular homicide after a fatal crash this
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weekend. police say that robert harold showed signs of impairment after he allegedly hit a pickup truck while speeding. the truck careened down an embankment killing the driempl he acknowledged consuming hard crieder and taking prescription pills. i will see you at the top of the hour in the newsroom. fareed zakaria gps continues right now. around the world more than 140 people have been reported killed in terror-related attacks since last sunday. and many hundreds more wounded. in iraq alone, at least 77 dead and 328 wounded in four attacks. at least 30 killed in somalia. two ngo workers, six civilian and the district governor were killed in multiple attacks in afghanistan. nine dead at a political rally in pakistan. 16 injured near a political office in india. eight shot to death by a gunman in kenya.
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let's remember those victims, too as we continue to focus on the boston bombings. joining me now a very intelligent panel on intelligence and terror. in washington philip mudd, former director of the krais's counterterrorism center and stephen flynn has been anned a vief to barack obama and george w. bush. jessica stern served 0 president clinton's national security council staff and is now at the harvard school of public health and bret stevens won a pulitzer prize for thiz excellent columns in the "wall street journal." thank you all. >> when you watched the response to what happened in boston, what were your thoughts in terms of our ability to handle these kinds of attacks. >> it was impressive and it drove home a core realism about the nature of dealing with terrorism attack when they manifest themselves. it is the bystanders, neighbors,
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supported by local fire department, police, emergency management folks and there's little question that americans took solace in the competence and compassion and the selflessness of people's response and that's an important message when we deal with this threat that we can handle it and bounce back quickly. that's also something that happened. i teach at northeast university. just a mile from where the attacks went off in copley square near the finish line. what was extraordinary for me is that the city was back up on monday. the trains were moving. students were going to classes. i went to do interviews and taxi dropped me right off on the corner. free coffee was given out by starbucks. the city was, even though there was uncertainty about what happened, what the motives were. the city insisted on gets on its feet. >> what about the manhunt, 9,000 people, large part of the city shut down to try to find one person. >> one thing it told about the people, again, folks complied
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with the request by the governor and the mayor and others to stay in place. it is a civic duty. not because they were terrified to go out of their doors. >> when we look back at it, i think we will learn some lessons learned. one key is it is easier to turn things off than back on. the time as it went on clearly there was -- at some point you can't have a major city stopped like we were for that amount of time and you have to be careful. if these attacks, like i think they are, are likely to happen on a greater level of frequency over time you have to calibrate your response with the obvious need to be protective and to try to reduce the risk to the public. >> senator mudd, what would you be trying to find out in the aftermath of this particularly from the surviving bomber? what would you be asking him? >> there is a basic question. been you look at what america and the media has focused on the
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last couple of days, rightly so they are focused op two people, two spiders in my world that conducted. this where is the spider web if one exists? in the past, we saw the 9/11, the plt in madrid that killed to many people, there is a spider web that includes foreign train ing. it is not clear there is one but i would be hunting that today. >> on first impressions does it appear this is more like a case of loners, self radicalized or does it look like there's a spider web? >> this looks basic to me. every step of the way when i was watching it unfold from the fact that the individual on the surveillance video doesn't use his hoodie or his cap to secure his face, very basic devices 52 miles of unsecured road they placed the bomb on. they didn't have an after action plan. this looks basic to me. one more point.
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when i saw this, americans want to understand this quickly as foreign inspired terrorism. this looked as much like columbine as it did al qaeda. >> you have talked to dozens of terrorists and failed suicide bombers. what do you think we should be trying to find out from this young man who survives? >> i think what we often see is somebody who has a confused identity, who gets attracted to a narrative of oppression and humiliation. of course there's a question, why? who introduced them to that narrative? was it on the internet? was it someone in the neighborhood? was it actually phillip is right, is there a spider web or really like columbine? >> do you think self radicalization can be as strong and motivating to commute brutal acts of terror as being trained and tutored by somebody in
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pakistan? you have been to those camps where you have seen -- i have always assumed that self radicalization, how radical can reading stuff on the internet make you? >> unfortunately, i think reading stuff on the internet can make you very radical. it doesn't make you an accomplished terrorist. what we see is people who radicalize themselves, the kind of lone wolf or lone cell that is inspired by a movement but self trains they are much harder to catch but they are also less effective. >> before we go to break? >> first of all i don't think this is columbine or similar. these kids are not psychotic schizophrenics this was pre-planned, carefully meditated. i'm reminded of a story of what happens particularly to second
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generation muslims who don't feel an identity dwight with a home country or their adopted land. that's where radicalization tends to take place. that's where we need to devote new thinking to this phenomenon. >> we are talking about radicalization, alienation and how to protect ourselves going forward. don't go away. is our business. we've reduced taxes and lowered costs to save businesses more than two billion dollars to grow jobs, cut middle class income taxes to the lowest rate in sixty years, and we're creating tax free zones for business startups. the new new york is working creating tens of thousands of new businesses, and we're just getting started. to grow or start your business visit thenewny.com
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we are back with our expert panel. philip mudd in washington, i want to start with you and pick up what bret stevens was talking about. there seems to be a pattern here, which is if you look at the london bombings, they seem to resemble this one in this sense. second generation, first generation immigrant but clearly almost always muslim immigrants. something goes wrong in their assimilation and that is a trigger that puts them on the path to radicalization. when you were in the cia you must have been studying these london bombers, for example. do you think this is something to make 0 of that. >> a better example in terms of what we saw in london is minneapolis that was energized by what happened including american support for -- as a law
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enforcement and intelligence practitioner is inclusiveness in america. as a law enforcement tool, i worried all along when i was in the business that americans would start to say as a result of events like this that there are real americans and other americans. that kind of mentality if we ever get it will accelerate i think these cases of radicalization. kids like this when they take the oath will say i took the oath but i'm still not accepted. >> to what exstent one of the dangers here? one can overread too much. these may be two cases of a bad situation. to what extent might be assimilation machine in the u.s. be broken down or not functioning as well as it used to. in europe, minority communities were excluded marginalized but not in the united states. the polling data suggests that. but does this tell us maybe we should pay attention to that?
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>> compared to what? the assimilation mod until the united states works marvelously compared to france or germany or great britain. if you look back in history, the irish, the jews, all kinds of communities who came to this country faced similar problems. and by the way, each of them had moments of radicalization. there was a large con sdwrint of jewish-americans in the 1920s and '30s that became hard-lined communist and it was a real problem. the truth is that all of that said and done you find a pattern in which americans are extraordinarily tolerant and sensitive to the facts that the acts of a handful of people does not suggest something about the entire community. arab-americans, muslim-americans are better assimilated in the united states than any other dmunt the world. it spg we should take a great deal of pride. >> what do we do about the ideology. this happens in every community
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but in muslim communities if you get alienated, if you go crazy there is an almost off the shelf ideology thought that you can pick up on israeli and jihad. >> there is the question why is it that one kid is susceptible and not another and it is a result of alienation or humiliation. i think the community needs to band together and we need to remember that 35% of those who attempt to carry out attacks allegedly in the name of islam are converts. so we are not necessarily going to find these people in the muslim community. >> how do you deal with the issue of looking for people -- if the fbi interviewed this guy, there's nothing particularly
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markable. radical islam but not violent in any way, should there have been a tip off of some kind? >> that is actually something i think commissioner kelly has done well in new york city which is to engage communities, have a much more cooperative relationship between law enforcement and the community itself. interestingly in this case, while there was the house-to-house effort over a series of hours to locate the final bomber, the tipoff came once there was, okay, you can leave your house and the house owner looked out and saw the plastic tarp on the boat in his driveway was a muck and checked it out and he provided the tip. citizens are key. after 9/11 the focus was putting together a more robust national security intelligence apparatus with some involvement with state and local engagement. >> bush had often said we have to fight them over there so we
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don't have to fight them here. >> clearly now with the recognition that these kinds of attacks are so much more difficult to prevent and the response is inevitably local, investing in local to deal with it seems to be key. we put national treasure into the war overseas. we now have to think about reallocated that to some capability here at home. >> when all is said and done, the way events played out in boston, as tragic as they are, are really a model in terms of the way the people of boston reacted, in the way that the agencies of government, local and federal, did. these were two guys with a bunch of extra pipe bombs and extra one of these extra types of explosives, grenades, and they tragically killed another police officer, nearly killed another one, but it ended about as well as we'd like. that has to say something about the quality of our responses. it's very easy in hindsight to say we could have done this and this differently. it was a model for how something like this should go down.
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>> a last thought on how we engage citizens. how do we better protect ourselves and use the virtues of a free society? >> two things i think about. one that's happening already. first, the engagement with especially immigrant communities can't come at the back end of the investigation. the front end has to be law enforcement going to talk to people. in community centers, making people understand that the security services they see here are not like the security services they saw at home. the second, and this may sound radical, i would be considering calling the mother of those terrorists. there's four grieving parents in boston who lost children. there's a fifth in chechnya. i'm not saying this because it represents a velvet glove. it's a steel fist. to tell anybody who wants to do this, we're going to bring everybody into the tent, including the mother who lost one kid and might lose another, who were terrorists, and we're going to tell them we all grieve together as a family. >> jessica, what would you ask this young man?
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what would be the first question you'd ask? >> of course, i'd want to know all about how he was radicalized. i'd want to know all about his life story. but to me what's very important is to make sure that his story gets out there because i think kids sometimes romanticize the life. and if we can get former m mujahadin as they call themselves, to thel the story what it's actually like, it's not remotely glamorous, and many end up regretting what they did. we need to publicize those stories. >> i would hope that he goes off to florence, colorado, for life in supermax prison. >> no death penalty? >> i would consider that as well. i remember seeing up close a suicide bombing in israel when i was living there. the carnage is unbelievable. what happens when you put nails and ball bearings into a bomb
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and you slice through flesh is one of am more horrifying sights in the world. people need to understand before we get to the part about understanding what makes these kids who they are, people have to understand the kind of damage and carnage they inflicted on human beings. >> thank you all. when we come back, margaret thatcher's funeral. we have seen some bipartisanship in washington this week. could they take it a step or a note further? i'll explain when we return. ounc meatloaf recipe from stouffer's starts with ground beef, onions and peppers baked in a ketchup glaze with savory gravy and mashed russet potatoes. what makes stouffer's meatloaf best of all? that moment you enjoy it at home. stouffer's. made with care, for you or your family. introducing bbm video with screen share. hey aleigh. hey! carol! update on 171 woodward..... let's other people see what's on your screen. and these are the material studies. the dog was my suggestion. aleigh.
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you're looking a the casket of margaret thatcher on st. paul's cathedral on wednesday for her funeral. the casket was draped in the flag of great britain. the so called union jack. that brings me to our question this week from the gps challenge. the union jack is a combination of crosses of three saints. who are these saints? a, paul, patrick, and john. b, paul, patrick, and george. c george, patrick, and stephen,
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or d. we'll tell you the correct answer. go to cnn.com/fareed for more of the gps challenge and lots of analysis. you can also follow us on twitter and facebook. remember you can go to itunes.com/fareed if you ever miss a show or a special. this week's book of the week is "the way of the knife, the cia, a secret army, and a war at the ends of the earth." 9/11 changed america, but what it it really changed was the cia, which was tasked with prosecuting the war on terror. it tells the story from how the agency went from one focused on analysis to interrogations and assassinations. it reads like a thriller, well worth getting. now for the last look. this week lawmakers in new zealand did something remarkable after a vote. there wasn't a mass walkout. no. the place didn't erupt into fisticuffs. no, the members didn't call each other names.
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>> they want to know what misogyny looks like, they don't need a motion in the house of representatives, he needs a mirror. >> instead, with a measure passed that would make new zealand the 30th nation to recognize gay marriage, the parliament erupted into song. ♪ a special song, a love song. one solo voice started spontaneously and then almost all joined in. perhaps it might serve to remind the u.s. congress of what i think is the most memorable time they all sang together and the unity and sense of purpose they felt on september 11th, 2001. ♪ god bless america >> the correct answer to our gps challenge was d, t